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Forum rules Post a reply <./posting.php?mode=reply&f=4&t=3554> First unread post <./viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3554&view=unread#unread> • 29 posts • Page *1* of *2* <#> • *1*, 2 <./viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3554&start=15> An Answer for Sparky <#p38434> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38434#p38434>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:35 pm Sparky asked, nick c [...] "-the Earth was originally a satellite of a small brown dwarf star-" "-they shared their axes of rotation, giving the brown dwarf the appearance of a large stationary orb over the North pole" "Plasma cosmology and the Electric Universe provide the mechanisms and supporting evidence that lend credence to such outlandish claims." Sparky asked, How is that?...From what i have read it would seem to disprove the 90deg tilt of the earth... with normal induced rotation axes 90deg to plane of orbit.....not sure how earth shared axes of rotation with saturn/sun?....Our axes wanders a bit.....for sun to appear as stationary would not the earth have to be in geosynchronous orbit with a more normal axes of rotation, not the 90deg tilt which would not allow a geosynchronous orbit? ...what do i not understand?...thanks Sparky Posts: 10 Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:20 pm I asked a friend for a response to Sparky's question. The answer is below. from a friend, [...] Earth wouldn't be in a gravitational orbit. It would be aligned along the axis of the Birkeland current that powers the entire brown dwarf system...like knots in the jet of a Herbig-Haro star. [Read Holoscience posts & the tpod archive. (Also known as doing homework. me again, I hope this helps. Please take my friends advice. michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38438> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38438#p38438>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:47 pm Hi again Sparky: The information from my friend helps me to understand the Saturnian model. In your defense, there isn't a lot of info about the Saturnian model in the TPODs or Holoscience, from what i can find. Thoth might be a better source. Any recommendations from the group? But the advise to read the TPODs and www.Holoscience.com is still excellent. Think of the reading as fun, not homework. michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38485> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38485#p38485>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:56 pm starbiter wrote:Hi again Sparky: The information from my friend helps me to understand the Saturnian model. In your defense, there isn't a lot of info about the Saturnian model in the TPODs or Holoscience, from what i can find. Thoth might be a better source. Any recommendations from the group? But the advise to read the TPODs and http://www.Holoscience.com is still excellent. Think of the reading as fun, not homework. michael Earth wouldn't be in a gravitational orbit. It would be aligned along the axis of the Birkeland current that powers the entire brown dwarf system...like knots in the jet of a Herbig-Haro star. Well, michael, thank you, but your friends explanation is more like cultish mumbo jumbo , using obscure terms to confuse and impress the cult members ,not clarify and explain to someone outside the cult... it makes no sense at all from my perspective, and did not directly address my questions.....and his condescending remark about homework exposes his own shortcomings...thanks, but no thanks.! I have read some of the tpods,,,, the ones i saw were not very informative... Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38486> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38486#p38486>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:14 pm Hello Sparky: It seems EU isn't your cup of tea. For others with an interest, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... ornado.htm http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... ornado.htm i tried, michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38488> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38488#p38488>by *mharratsc <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=780>* » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:36 pm Yo Sparky, Perhaps something more graphic? Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxVhLcCH8w Several parts to follow through. Before you jump on the "cultish mumbo jumbo" bandwagon, you really might want to investigage the whole notion of Birkeland currents, plasma jets, knot instabilities, 'beads on a string', sausages on a string, and other observations of electrical/plasma physics. The only thing conjectural regarding any of it is to apply the physics on an interplanetary scale. You can say you don't buy the application of the science, say you believe that accretion is 'the only way' for a planet to form... but you can't call plasma physics mumbo jumbo without looking very, very silly... :oops: Mike H. "I have no fear to shout out my ignorance and let the Wise correct me, for every instance of such narrows the gulf between them and me." -- Michael A. Harrington mharratsc <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=780> *Posts:* 852 *Joined:* Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:37 am *Location:* Maplewood, MN * E-mail mharratsc <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=780> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38492> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38492#p38492>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:56 pm One more time, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/ ... kwards.htm This TPOD seems more focused on your question Sparky. michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38529> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38529#p38529>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:54 am mharratsc wrote:Yo Sparky, Perhaps something more graphic? Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxVhLcCH8w Several parts to follow through. Before you jump on the "cultish mumbo jumbo" bandwagon, you really might want to investigage the whole notion of Birkeland currents, plasma jets, knot instabilities, 'beads on a string', sausages on a string, and other observations of electrical/plasma physics. The only thing conjectural regarding any of it is to apply the physics on an interplanetary scale. You can say you don't buy the application of the science, say you believe that accretion is 'the only way' for a planet to form... but you can't call plasma physics mumbo jumbo without looking very, very silly... :oops: I did not call plasma physics mumbo jumbo....reread what i said!..unless you are a "true believer" and only comprehend what you think you know. Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38531> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38531#p38531>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:58 am starbiter wrote:Hello Sparky: It seems EU isn't your cup of tea. For others with an interest, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... ornado.htm http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... ornado.htm i tried, michael Thanks, michael....i have read these....but this does not answer my simple questions... Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38532> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38532#p38532>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:06 am starbiter wrote:One more time, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/ ... kwards.htm This TPOD seems more focused on your question Sparky. michael thank you, michael...i have read this also.....interesting. It seems to answer one question with, "The planets may then be gravitationally captured in any configuration of orbit, although a prograde equatorial configuration is most likely." evidence for argument against the earth orbiting saturian/sun with saturn in northern hemisphere interpretation.... is there no one who can answer my simple questions? btw, i can't/don't do online videos... Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38533> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38533#p38533>by *Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=212>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:15 am Hi Sparky, cultish mumbo jumbo cult members the cult These are your phrases. You turn up here with a badly written and ill-formulated question and when you are given some friendly advice as to where to seek answers you reply using provocative language. If you are going to reject the EU explanation to your questions then could you not at least explain why you do so, perhaps by mentioning some of the mainstream science which you think contradicts or disproves the EU explanation? Or are you just trolling? I ask because we do occassionly get such sad creatures shambling through here. If I have the least bit of knowledge I will follow the great Way alone and fear nothing but being sidetracked. The great Way is simple but people delight in complexity. Tao Te Ching, 53. Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=212> *Posts:* 2026 *Joined:* Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:47 am *Location:* NW UK * E-mail Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=212> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38534> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38534#p38534>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:19 am Hi Sparky: My friend admitted there wasn't much available information about the technical aspects of the polar configuration on line. He admitted that he's frustrated because people in general aren't familiarizing themselves with the basics of EU before taking strong positions on EU issues. Hence the comment about homework. The TPOD about Herbig-Haro stars shows polar configurations are possible in a Electric Universe. I'm open to the Polar Configuration, but not married to it. Very smart EU folks [much smarter than i] are comfortable with the polar configuration, so i must keep an open mind. But EU doesn't rise or fall over these issues, IMHO. Dr. Velikovsky was strongly opposed to the Polar Configuration, from what i've been told. Your in good company having questions concerning the shish kabob. Dr. Velikovsky was a pioneer in proposing a Saturnian System, on the other hand. michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38545> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38545#p38545>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:24 pm Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Sparky, yada, yada, yada. Having a hard time finding someone to argue with? And you obviously still have a problem. Why not quit your own forum stalking of me with immature, illogical, and typically hypocritical posts ...your immature, clumsy attempts to manipulate are tiresome, and you offer no EU insight!.. Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38548> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38548#p38548>by *Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:14 pm starbiter wrote:Hi Sparky: My friend admitted there wasn't much available information about the technical aspects of the polar configuration on line. He admitted that he's frustrated because people in general aren't familiarizing themselves with the basics of EU before taking strong positions on EU issues. Hence the comment about homework. The TPOD about Herbig-Haro stars shows polar configurations are possible in a Electric Universe. I'm open to the Polar Configuration, but not married to it. Very smart EU folks [much smarter than i] are comfortable with the polar configuration, so i must keep an open mind. But EU doesn't rise or fall over these issues, IMHO. Dr. Velikovsky was strongly opposed to the Polar Configuration, from what i've been told. Your in good company having questions concerning the shish kabob. Dr. Velikovsky was a pioneer in proposing a Saturnian System, on the other hand. michael I read velikovsky many decades ago...was impressed.... i can understand your friend"s frustration...i get frustrated too, waiting for a page to load and then finding out there isn't much info. there! And what is basic EU to one may be advanced for another....i see a lot of people using terms authoritatively that they probably only vaguely understand..Much of this EU is a bit like black hole theory, take it on faith that the universe is looking and acting like a lab experiment or math model. Saturian system may or may not have happened... i think it is a distraction from EU unless there can be found another such configuration of sun and planet. I;ll reread the Herbig-Haro theory again.... As for "smart people", there are smart people on all sides...smart people can hold some really dumb ideas, and develop complex rationalizations to defend them!..And it is smart people who, if psychotic, are able to acquire wealth and power in evil ways, with no remorse. And smart people can be very immature and thin skinned... Patterns! Humans see patterns...People see what they are looking for...We don't know what we really are seeing in far space through a powerful telescope. we just go with a working theory until a better one comes along. EU seems to better explain many things. But, even if i were to adopt it as the best working theory, i wouldn't be on a mission for god to take it to the world. I have faith in science to sort it out eventually. Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6658> *Posts:* 92 *Joined:* Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm * E-mail Sparky <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6658> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38550> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38550#p38550>by *Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=212>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:27 pm Sparky wrote: Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Sparky, yada, yada, yada. Having a hard time finding someone to argue with? And you obviously still have a problem. Why not quit your own forum stalking of me with immature, illogical, and typically hypocritical posts ...your immature, clumsy attempts to manipulate are tiresome, and you offer no EU insight!.. :D If I have the least bit of knowledge I will follow the great Way alone and fear nothing but being sidetracked. The great Way is simple but people delight in complexity. Tao Te Ching, 53. Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=212> *Posts:* 2026 *Joined:* Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:47 am *Location:* NW UK * E-mail Grey Cloud <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=212> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: An Answer for Sparky <#p38553> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=38553#p38553>by *starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84>* » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:54 pm Hola Sparky: If a planet was in a polar configuration, it might not cause a wobble in the star it was connected to. It's the wobble we detect in stars which implies the planet. I believe this is the case, unless there have been breakthroughs i'm not aware of. So proof might not be available until we have sensors that can discern actual planets. Saturn Theory is certainly part of the big EU picture. Most EU insiders seem sympathetic. There are fewer Polar Configuration people, but they would probably be a majority. EU is like a buffet. You don't need to consume everything. Embrace the embraceable parts. There is a tendency to invoke Saturn Theory within the EU community instead of the events described in Worlds in Collision to reconcile geology. Dr. Velikovsky is not in vogue. Never has been. He is toxic. I suggest re-reading WiC. It keeps getting better. Try to think literally when you read of dust and wind. If you have a spare month, try reading this thread about mountains and duning. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780 Venus rocks, michael I Ching #49 The Image Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION Thus the superior man Sets the calender in order And makes the seasons clear User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=84> *Posts:* 633 *Joined:* Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am *Location:* Palm Springs, CA * E-mail starbiter <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=84> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Next <./viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3554&start=15> Display posts from previous: Sort by ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Post a reply <./posting.php?mode=reply&f=4&t=3554> 29 posts • Page *1* of *2* <#> • *1*, 2 <./viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3554&start=15> Return to Electric Universe - Planetary Science <./viewforum.php?f=4> Jump to: Who is online Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests * Board index <./index.php> * The team <./memberlist.php?mode=leaders> • Delete all board cookies <./ucp.php?mode=delete_cookies> • All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ] Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group