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Guest Blog: E.P. Grodine's compilation of The First Peoples' accounts
of the YD Impacts
*Birdman*
*From E.P. Grondine –*
*SOME OF FIRST PEOPLES’ ACCOUNTS OF THE YD IMPACTS*
As far as the 10,900 BCE comet impact event, many of the peoples
remembered it. I included some of them in my book “Man and Impact in the
Americas”
, though
at that time (2005) I misdated them to the end paleo at 8,350
BCE, instead of the now known 10,900 BCE.
For me, at that time, the end of use of many quarries at 8,350 BCE
most likely was again caused by comet or asteroid impact, simply because
nothing else could account for such a sudden and massive change in
population. But it turned out the people who introduced of maritime
technologies (Dalton archaic maritime white serated edge points 8,350
BCE), brought new diseases from Europe with thmem.
I also don’t know if I am right in this, but from what I have seen so
far only the Fort Payne and one other quarry on the Tennessee-Kentucky
border remained in use in eastern North America, so human die off must
have been around 90%.
Given modern elephants food requirements, most mammoth and mastodon
must have starved to death within a few weeks. There may have been a
few survivors, but most would have died.
*A FIVE NATIONS ACCOUNT OF THE HOLOCENE START IMPACTS FROM *DAVID
CUSICK’S SKETCHES OF THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE SIX NATIONS:**
“It came to pass that the Good Mind, as he traveled from place to
place, after a while went along the shore of the lake (Lake Ontario).
There, not far away, he saw the Bad Mind making for himself a bridge of
ice across the lake, a bridge which already extended far out on the water.
Thereupon the Good Mind went to the place where the Bad Mind was
working, and when he arrived there, he said: “Tawi’skaron, what is this
that you are doing for yourself?” The Bad Mind replied, saying: “I am
making a pathway for myself.” And then, pointing in the direction toward
which he was building the bridge, he added: “In that direction there is
a land where dwell great animals of fierce dispositions. As soon as I
complete my pathway to that other land, thereafter they will habitually
come over. Along this pathway they will be in the habit of coming across
the lake to eat the flesh of human beings who are about to dwell on the
earth.”
So then the Good Mind said to the Bad Mind: “You should stop the work
which you are doing. Surely the intention of your mind is not good.” The
Bad Mind replied, saying: “I will not cease from what I am doing, for,
of course, it is good that these great animals shall be in the habit of
coming here to eat the flesh of human beings who will dwell here.”
So of course the Bad Mind did not obey and cease from building the
bridge for himself, and thereupon the Good Mind turned back and reached
dry land. Now along the shore of the sea grew shrubs, and he saw a bird
sitting on a limb of one. The bird belonged to the class of birds which
we call the bluebirds. And the Good Mind then said to this Bluebird:
“You shall kill a cricket. You shall remove one hind leg from it, and
you shall hold it in your mouth, and you shall go there to the very
place where the Bad Mind is working. You shall land very near to the
place where he is working, and you shall cry out.”
“And the Bluebird replied, saying, “Yo”. Thereupon the Bluebird truly
did seek for a cricket, and after a while it found one, and it killed
it, too. Then it pulled out one of the cricket’s hind legs and put it
into its mouth to hold, and then it flew, winging its way to the place
where the Bad Mind was at work making his ice bridge.
There it landed, near to him at his task. And of course it then
shouted, ”Kwe’, kwe’, kwe’, kwe’, kwe’.” At which the Bad Mind raised up
his head and looked, and he saw the bluebird sitting there. He believed
from what he saw that the bluebird held in its mouth the thigh of a man,
and also that its mouth was wholly covered with blood.
It was then that the Bad Mind sprang up at once and fled. As fast as he
ran the bridge of ice which he was making dissipated.”
[This Bluebird with its mouth covered with blood, whose appearance
caused the ice to melt appears to have been the comet whose impact has
now been well evidenced by Kenneth et al. at 10,900 BCE.]
*A POSSIBLE LENAPE ACCOUNT OF THE HOLOCENE START IMPACT EVENTS*
[While C.S. Rafinesques has been under attack, and he has been accused
of concocting the Walam Olum, see the discussion here:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=848.0 ]
1. Long ago there was a Mighty Snake [comet], and beings evil to men.
2. This Mighty Snake [comet] hated those who were there,
(and) he greatly disquieted those whom he hated.
3. He harmed all things, he injured all things,
and all were not in peace.
4. Driven from their homes, the men fought with this murderer.
5. The Mighty Snake [comet] firmly resolved to harm the men.
6. The Mighty Snake [comet] brought three persons [fragments?],
he brought a monster [impact],
he brought rushing water [an impact mega-tsunami or flood from melt].
7. Between the hills the water rushed and rushed,
dashing through and through, destroying much.
8. Nanabush, the Strong White One, Grandfather of beings,
Grandfather of men, was on Turtle Island.
[While "Turtle Island" has certain allegorical aspects , it is strange
to see the turtle play such an essential role in Lenape legend. Turtles
are reptiles, and for the most part are unable to generate internal heat
to warm their bodies, which limits their range to temperate climates;
there are and were none of these in the far north of the Lenape people's
original homeland. The only possible exception here may have been sea
turtles, which thrive in warm water: perhaps the Japanese Current
provided warm water to the west coast of Canada, and "Turtle Island"
refers to west coastal Canada before the end of the last Ice Age.]
9. There he was walking and creating:
and as he passed by,
he created the turtle [skin boats?].
10. Beings and men all went forth,
they walked in the floods and shallow waters,
down stream there in the turtle [skin boats?].
11. There were many monster fishes, which ate some of them.
12. The Great Mind’s daughter came,
and helped with her canoe [wooden boat]:
she helped all, as they came and came.
13. Thus Nanabush, Nanabush, the Grandfather of all,
the Grandfather of beings, the Grandfather of men,
became the Grandfather of the turtle [skin boats?].
14. The men were then together on the Great Turtle [the Earth],
like turtles.
15. Frightened on the Great Turtle [the Earth],
they prayed that what was spoiled should be restored.
16. The water ran off, the earth dried, the lakes were at rest,
all was silent, and the Mighty Snake [comet] departed.
*THE HOLOCENE CLIMATE COLLAPSE: THE LENAPE MIGRATE EAST, THEN SOUTH*
Whether these impacts were the cause of the end of the Ice Age or
just coincidental to it is a hotly debated topic. Whatever the cause,
the climate did begin to change.
Part III
1. After the rushing waters [had finished],
the Lenape of the [Sea] Turtle were close together,
living together there in hollow houses..
2. It froze where they lived, it snowed where they lived,
it stormed where they lived, it was cold where they lived.
3. At this northern place they spoke favorably
of mild, cool [lands], with many deer and buffaloes.
4. As they journeyed, some being strong, and others rich,
they separated into house-builders and hunters;
5. The strongest, the most united, the purest, were the hunters.
6. The hunters showed themselves at the north, at the east,
at the south, at the west.
ATTACK ON THE SNAKES [MISSASAUGA]
7. In that ancient country, in that northern country,
in that [Sea] Turtle Country,
the best of the Lenape were the men of the Turtle Clan.
[Perhaps the Turtle Clan were the boat builders.]
“8. All the cabin fires of that land were disquieted, and all said to their
priest, “Let us go.”
9. They went forth to the Snake [Missasauga] Land to the east, going
away earnestly grieving.”
[Snakes, like turtles, are also reptiles, and for the most part are
also unable to generate internal heat to warm their bodies. This also
limits their range to temperate climates, and there are and were none of
these in the far north. The northernmost range of snakes, and in
particular of the poisonous Missasauga rattlesnake, would appear to be
along the Saint Lawrence at its junction with Lake Erie.]
“10. Split asunder, weak, trembling, their land burned, they went, torn
and broken, to the Snake [Missasauga] Land.”
*ANOTHER ACCOUNT OF A HOLOCENE START IMPACT ON THE SAINT LAWRENCE RIVER*
*Great Serpent Mound, Ohio*
*
*
The following passage has been adapted to modern usage from an account
given by Tuscaroran Chief Elias Johnson.
“A Great Horned Serpent also next appeared on Lake Ontario who, by means
of his poisonous breath, caused disease, and caused the death of many.
[climate collapse by dust veil?]
At length the old women congregated, with one accord, and prayed to
the Great Spirit that he would send their grandfather, the Thunder, who
would get to their relief in this, their sore time of trouble, while at
the same time burning tobacco as burned offerings. And so finally the
monster was compelled to retire in the deeps of the lake by thunderbolts.
Before this calamity was forgotten another happened. A blazing star
fell into their fort, situated on the banks of the St. Lawrence, and
destroyed the people. Such a phenomenon caused a great panic and
consternation and dread, which they regarded as ominous of their entire
destruction. Not long after this prediction of the blazing star it was
verified.
These tribes, who were held together by feeble ties, fell into dispute
and wars among themselves, which were pursued through a long period,
until they had utterly destroyed each other, and so reduced their
numbers that the lands were again overrun with wild beasts.
At this period there were six families who took refuge in a large cave
in a mountain, where they dwelled for a long time. The men would come
out occasionally to hunt for food. This great cave was situated at or
near the falls of the Oswego River.
The Holder of the Heavens then came and extricated these six families
from the subterraneous bowels and confines of the mountain. The people
always looked to this divine messenger, who had power to assume various
shapes as emergency demanded, as the friend and patron of their nation.
This company were a particular body, which called themselves of
One Household. Of these there were six families, and they entered into
an agreement to preserve the chain of alliance which should not be
extinguished under any circumstance.”
THE SHAWNEE ACCOUNT
[I hope you will bear with me here, as I need to make a record of
this Shawnee tradition of the Holocene Start Impacts. This comes from
Albert S. Gatschet's manuscript, which was not available to me when I
assembled "Man and Impact in the Americas", and so this tradition was
not included in my book.]
A SHAWNEE TRADITION OF THE HOLOCENE START IMPACTS
[The following mythic tale of the Battle of the Good Mind and the Bad
Mind was also held by the Tuscorora, and David Cusick's version of it
from his "Sketched of the Ancient Histoy of the Six Nstions, is given
complete in my own book "Man and Impact in the Americas".
This shared tradition is not surprising, as Iroquoian people comprised
the first of the three streams that joined to form the Shawnee people. A
later borrowing of this tale by the Shawneee can be ruled out.]
The version given here came from Thomas Staind and William Tookey,
was elucidated by Thomas Dougherty, and preserved through the hard work
of Albert Gatschet.
*THE BATTTLE OF THE GOOD MIND AND THE BAD MIND*
One of the Twins was the Creator [the Good Mind - Wessi Manitou, elsewhere
in the manuscript] and the other the Destroyer, or the Bad Mind (Maeche
Manitou, the Bad Spirit). The first was born properly. The second was not
born properly; He was born from his mother’s side.
Both of them started off. The Creator headed for the Center (Taheliki), just
there he came, and then they both came to the Center (Taheliki).
Then one of them wanted to know what they were going to do,
then one of them went to the East, the other to the West,
One of them by turning went towards the place where the Sun rises(East).
“Let us go (to the Center)” the Bad Mind said to the Good Mind (Spirit),
“There we will look at what each of us has created.
“Too much and too good have you created everything”, the Bad Mind said.
“you have given them too much – you have created too much good.”
For everything was created so well that people would altogether be too lazy.
[Dougherty(?) elucidated this as "When the Bad Mind went west, he returned,
and said to the Good Mind, "You created everything too well, the children
will be too lazy."]
Then the Good Mind spoke to the Evil Mind.
“Everything too badly you have created, even large snakes [COMETS] even
those which will kill people. You have badly created even worse than that.”
(Dougherty(?) told this as “To the Bad Mind the Good Mind said, “You created
everything wrong while going west – big snakes would kill a person, thorns
(cactus, most likely a later western insertion of detail) – and your
creations would be obnoxious to people.)
Now then they were returning back to where they started.
Then the Bad Mind asked the Good Mind, “What are you afraid of?”
“Of horns”, he [the Good Mind] answered.
“And what are you afraid of?”, he [the Good Mind] asked.
“Of flagweeds (hapwaki), they will strangle me if you strike me. [I think it
most likely that these "flags" were some kind of poison used in hunting.]
Then the Bad Mind said “You first”
“Then not you will be first in turn? That is agreeable.”, said the Good
Mind. Then he ran towards the sunrise (east). In that direction he ran, and
the Bad Mind followed.
Ten times, twelve times, they piled the flags upon one another, until they
reached the piles of flags came to an end, and then they returned to the
Center.
Then the Bad Mind ran to the west. In that direction he ran, and the Good
Mind ran after him. Ten times, twelve times, horns were piled in that
direction. The Good Mind picked up the horns as he was running, and he stuck
the Bad Mind with these horns.
Then the Good Mind put a rock on himself, and then the Bad Mind struck him
with these horns until he tore to pieces his own garment. Thus he [the Good
Mind] killed him [the Bad Mind].
[THE IMPACTS - The order of directions given here, south, east, north,
and west may be ritualistic or may preserve some memory of sequence.]
Then the Good Mind built a fire, as he wanted to burn the Bad Mind up.
Then while the Bad Mind’s heart was in the fire, it burst out, to the South.
The Good Mind went and grabbed it, caught it, and threw it back into the
fire again.
Then it [the Bad Mind's heart] burst from the fire to the East, and
The Good Mind grabbed it, caught it, and threw it back into the fire again.
Then it [the Bad Mind's heart] burst from the fire to the North, and
The Good Mind grabbed it, caught it, and threw it back into the fire again.
Then it [the Bad Mind's heart] burst from the fire to the West, and
The Good Mind grabbed it, caught it, and threw it back into the fire again,
this time bursting. It burst under the ground.
“That’s what I want to do with him”, and then the Good Mind stamped on top
of the ground. He jumped up and down on where the Bad Mind’s heart had
finally burst.
Then the Good Mind thought of going home.
When he came there close to where they lived [Kokumthena (Grandmother, the
Creator), the Good Mind, and the Bad Mind], and then he heard somebody at
where they stayed.
He stopped a little while, and then started to go to the place again.
There he met Grandmother [Kokumthena, the Creator], and she told him
“You [the Good Mind] have been naughty”, she said.
“You have BURNT THE SKIN OFF OF HIM [the Bad Mind].”
*THE CREATION OF PEOPLE*
Then the Good Mind felt bad, and he started to go about feeling very bad.
Then he went to the Buffalo Lick, and there he sat down.
[After this the Good Mind created the first man and woman at the Buffalo
Lick. This Buffalo Lick may be identified with Big (Salt) Lick, just to the
south of the modern city of Cincinatti, Ohio, as the active flint quarries
show this area to have been occupied by the survivors after the Holocene
Start Impacts.]
*ANOTHER SOUTH EAST TRADITION*
The following is usually understood as an explanation for the fossils
found at Big Bone Lick, but Jefferson’s telling of the (Lenapewak)
(Delaware)
tradition from “Notes on the State of Virginia” holds somehing more:
“Our quadrupeds have been mostly described by Linnaeus and Mons. de Buffon.
Of these the Mammoth, or big buffalo, as called by the Indians, must
certainly have been the largest. Their tradition is, that he was
carnivorous, and still exists in the northern parts of America.
“A delegation of warriors from the Delaware tribe having visited the
governor of Virginia, during the present revolution, on matters of business,
after these had been discussed and settled in council, the governor asked
them some questions relative to their country, and, among others, what they
knew or had heard of the animal whose bones were found at the Saltlicks, on
the Ohio. Their chief speaker immediately put himself into an attitude of
oratory, and with a pomp suited to what he conceived the elevation of his
subject, informed him that it was a tradition handed down from their
fathers,
`That in antient times a herd of these tremendous animals came to the
Big-bone licks, and began an universal destruction of the bear, deer, elks,
buffaloes, and other animals, which had been created for the use of the
Indians: that the Great Man above, looking down and seeing this, was so
enraged that he seized his lightning, descended on the earth, seated himself
on a neighbouring mountain, on a rock, of which his seat and the print of
his feet are still to be seen, and hurled his bolts among them till the
whole were slaughtered, except the big bull, who presenting his forehead to
the shafts, shook them off as they fell; but missing one at length, it
wounded him in the side; whereon, springing round, he bounded over the Ohio,
over the Wabash, the Illinois, and finally over the great lakes, where he is
living at this day.’
To this account Jefferson added further information supporting speculation
that the mammoth was still alive.
As the Lenapewak were on the west coast of Canada at the time of the
Holocene start impacts, they most likely inherited this tradition from the
Shawnee. Besides the existing distinct holocene start account of the
Lenepwak, the following leads me to suspect borrowing or adoption of the
information given to Jefferson. It was noted by Adrienne Mayor:
http://members.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/writing.html
and her book is advertised there. If I had a copy of it then I would have
the originals of her extracts:
“In 1762, John Wright of Kentucky talked with several Shawnee about big
skeletons found along the Ohio River. The Shawnee said the bones belonged to
an immense animal, the “grandfather of all buffalo,” and that they had been
hunted by “great men” of the distant past. But after all those supermen died
out, THE GREAT SPIRIT DESTROYED THE ENORMOUS ANIMALS WITH LIGHTNING so that
they wouldn’t harm smaller men of the present day.
“The Delaware elders told Thomas Jefferson a similar story, only they
claimed that the gigantic animals were driving away smaller game, like deer
and bear. This angered their god, *WHO BLASTED THE MASSIVE ANIMALS WITH*
* LIGHTNING BOLTS*. Only their petrified remains could be seen today,
although
it was possible that some had escaped to the far north. Jefferson hoped that
Lewis and Clark would discover living specimens of the fossil mammoths so
abundant along the Ohio River.
*A LAKOTA TRADITION*
*Thunderbird rock art carving.*
*Lakota Thunderbird Petroglyph*
I want to add here to the traditions passed on above this Lakota
tradition as recovered by Firestone’s team:
*BATTLE WITH THE GIANT ANIMALS*
“In the world before this one, the People and the animals turned to evil and
forgot their connection to the Creator. Resolving to destroy the world and
start over, Creator warned a few good People to flee to the highest
mountaintops. After they were safe, He sang the Song of Destruction and sent
down fierce Thunderbirds to wage a great battle against the other humans and
the giant animals.
They fought for a long time because the evil men and the animals had become
very powerful, and neither side could gain an advantage. Finally, at the
height of the battle, the Thunderbirds suddenly threw down their most
powerful thunderbolts all at once. The fiery blast shook the entire world,
toppling mountain ranges, and setting forests and prairies ablaze. Searing
flames leapt up to the sky in all directions, sparing only the few People on
the highest peaks. It was so hot that the world’s lakes boiled and dried up
before their eyes. Even the rocks glowed red-hot, and the giant animals and
evil people burned up where they stood.
After the Earth finished baking, Creator began to make a new world, and as
He chanted the Song of Creation, it began to rain. He sang louder and it
rained harder until the rivers overflowed their banks and surged across the
baked landscape. Finally, He stamped the Earth and with a great quake the
Earth split open, sending great torrents of water surging across the entire
world, until only a few mountain peaks stood above the flood, sheltering the
few huddled People who had survived. After the waters cleansed the Earth and
subsided, Creator sent the surviving People out to populate the new world,
our world today, but He warned them not to fall into evil, or He would
destroy the world again. As the People went out over the land, they found
the bleached bones of the giant animals buried in rock and mud all over the
world. People still find them today in the Dakota Badlands. (Retold from
Erdoes, 1984.)”
The mention of the mountain peaks where these people survived are likely to
be the Pacific ranges, IMO, as demonstrated by the mt A DNA haplogroup finds
there. The “bleached bones buried in rock” is likely to have been a later
explanation for later fossils finds, somewhat similar to the late materials
about Big Bone Lick also passed on above.
E.P. GRONDINE
MAN AND IMPACT IN THE AMERICAS