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A Criticism of the
ICR's Grand Canyon Dating Project

   
    by Chris Stassen

   Copyright © 1994-2003
   [Last Update: February 18, 2003]

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Contents:

    1. General information on the Grand Canyon
    2. ICR's claims
    3. Background on ICR's claims and isochrons
    4. Criticism of ICR's claims
    5. Summary
    6. Response to Criticisms
    7. References

General information on the Grand Canyon

   T he Grand Canyon looks something like this:

   CAPTION: Figure 1. Idealized and simplified diagram of the Grand
   Canyon

   Grand Canyon figure

   There are a number of lava flows on the plateau that the canyon is cut
   into (yellow in Figure 1, above). These lava flows are Cenozoic in
   age, and some of them spill into the canyon. The walls of the canyon
   are mostly cut into horizontal rock layers of Paleozoic age (green in
   Figure 1, above). There is an angular unconformity at the bottom of
   the Paleozoic layers. An angular unconformity is the result of tilting
   and eroding of the lower layers before the upper ones are deposited.
   These tilted and eroded layers are Precambrian in age (blue in Figure
   1, above).

   The geological relationships of the various formations are quite
   clear. The lava flows which spill into the canyon must be younger than
   the canyon. The canyon must be younger than the rock layers that it
   cuts into. The sediments above the angular unconformity must be
   younger than the sediments below it.

   Grand Canyon figure The ordering of events which resulted in Figure 1
   must be:
    1. The blue layers are deposited.
    2. The blue layers are tilted and eroded.
    3. The green layers are deposited.
    4. The canyon is cut into the green and blue layers.
    5. The lava flows occur.

   Even young-earth creationists would agree with this relative
   sequencing of events. They would argue for a much shorter absolute
   timescale than mainstream geologists would accept, but the relative
   sequence is agreed upon by all parties.

ICR's claims

   Dr. Steven Austin, chairman of the Geology Department at the Institute
   for Creation Research, claimed (1992) that he had derived an Rb/Sr
   isochron for the plateau flows, which indicates an age of about 1.3
   billion years.

   One particular Precambrian layer known as the Cardenas Basalt has been
   dated by radiometric methods to about 1.1 billion years in age. The
   Cenozoic flows sampled by ICR thus are claimed to yield an age which
   is about 200 million years older than the Cardenas Basalt. But the
   Cardenas Basalt cannot be younger than the plateau flows, due to the
   geological relationships discussed in the first section of this
   document.

   Austin says that his isochron age is the result of a ""research
   project"" (1992, p. i) undertaken by the ICR to ""test the ages
   assigned by the best radioactive isotope dating methods"" (1992, p.
   i). Dr. Austin suggests that the slope of his isochron line
   (indicating great age) is ""unexpected"" (1992, p. iii) and that his
   result ""challenges the basic assumptions upon which the isochron
   dating method is based"" (1992, p. iv).

   In other words, Austin claims that he has produced a seemingly
   reliable isochron age which must necessarily be wrong, and therefore
   the Rb-Sr isochron dating method, which is considered to be among the
   more reliable of radiometric dating methods, must be considered
   suspect.

Background on ICR's claims and isochrons

     * The damaging paper trail
       In order to understand what is going on, it is useful to examine
       the paper trail. Prior to ICR starting the Grand Canyon Dating
       Project, Austin (1988) produced a similar isochron -- this time
       1.5 billion years -- for the same lava flows. He used data taken
       out of a mainstream scientist's paper (Leeman 1975) to construct
       the plot.
       Leeman's paper contains quite a bit more data than Austin used,
       with sufficient scatter to suggest that the resulting isochron
       probably is either an "inherited" reflection of the mantle source
       age or has no significance at all. However, Austin narrowed down
       the data set to flows which fell into a particular stratigraphic
       range -- ""stages III and IV of Hamblin's later classification","
       said Austin (1988) -- and those selected data points fell quite
       close to a single line.
       In his 1988 paper, Austin noted that this sort of "false isochron"
       is well known, and explained in the mainstream literature. He
       cited a discussion of it in Faure (1986, pp. 145-147), a popular
       textbook/handbook on isotope dating methods.
     * Isochron dating methods
       For general information on isochron dating methods, see
       talk.origins' Isochron Dating FAQ. Further information is
       available in Dalrymple (1991, pp. 102ff), a semi-technical
       description, and Faure (1986, pp. 117ff), a college-level
       textbook.
     * The requirements of isochron dating
       One of the requirements for an isochron to signify the age of an
       object, is that the data points be derived from samples of
       materials which were isotopically homogeneous (with respect to
       each other) when the object formed, and all separated and ceased
       chemical exchange at the object's time of formation. Faure (1986,
       p. 121) writes, discussing the derivation of the isochron
       technique from basic principles:

     If the strontium in such a magma was isotopically homogeneous
     throughout the cooling period, we may assume that all the diverse
     rocks that formed from the magma had the same initial ^87Sr/^86Sr
     ratio. Moreover, we may assume that the time required for
     crystallization of the magma was relatively short and that all
     rocks produced by this process have very nearly the same age. Under
     these conditions, Equation 8.3 is the equation of a family of
     straight lines in the slope-intercept form: [...]
       That is why isochron results are usually considered reliable if
       the data points are derived from the individual minerals of a
       single igneous rock sample, or on multiple samples of a single
       lava flow. The molten state allows isotopic homogenization, the
       solidification ceases that process, and therefore the expected
       result is the time since the solidification occurred.
       It is possible for the data points to fall on an isochron line if
       this requirement is violated. The result will still have the same
       meaning: the time since all of the samples were isotopically
       homogenized with respect to each other. However, that result does
       not have to be the time since each sample formed. Often it will be
       the isotopic age of the common source of the samples. That result
       could also be the age of the samples themselves, but only in the
       case where their common source was isotopically homogeneous --
       i.e., zero-age -- when the samples formed from it.
       For example, as discussed in the talk.origins Age of the Earth
       FAQ, young Earth sediments and meteorite whole-rock measurements
       all sit on a Pb/Pb isochron that gives the age of the Solar
       System:
       
   CAPTION: Figure 2. Pb/Pb isochron of terrestrial and meteorite samples
   (Scanned from Dalrymple (1986) with permission)

       Lead-Lead Isochron diagram for Terrestrial and Meteorite Samples.
       That isochron tells us the time since the samples were
       isotopically homogenized with respect to each other -- the time
       since the meteorites and Earth formed from the solar nebula. It
       does not imply that the young Earth sediments themselves are 4.5
       billion years old.
       This is a well-known and expected behavior of isochrons. No
       competent geologist would be fooled by this sort of "inherited"
       isochron age, because it is quite obvious, as the samples are
       collected, whether the date must reflect the individual samples'
       time of formation. This is discussed in more detail in the
       "Violation of cogenetic requirement" section of the Isochron
       Dating FAQ.

Criticism of ICR's claims

     * This was not a "test" of Rb-Sr dating.
       It is misleading for Austin to claim that he set out to "test"
       Rb/Sr isochron dating. The paper trail -- the 1988 Impact article
       -- documents that Austin knew he'd get a mantle age from
       whole-rock measurements of those lava flows, long before the ICR
       obtained a single rock sample of their own.
       If isotopic dating methods are as unreliable as Austin would like
       us to believe, why did he have to rig his test -- by only
       selecting rock samples which were known in advance to fail it? If
       a mainstream scientist were to fix a test in this manner, their
       reputation would be demolished when that fact was uncovered.
     * The wrong meaning is assigned to the dates.
       Before the Grand Canyon Dating Project began, in his 1988 Impact
       article, Austin admitted in print that the selected lava flows
       fell into two different stratigraphic stages. That is, the very
       information which he used to select the flows, also clearly
       indicates that they did not all occur at the same time. In his
       subsequent book (1994, p. 125), Austin indicated that his five
       data points came from four different lava flows plus an extracted
       "phenocryst" (large mineral which likely formed in the magma
       chamber and was not molten in the lava flow). We had known from
       the Impact articles that Austin's samples were not all cogenetic;
       years later we found out by his own admission that no two of them
       are so.
       In fact, as discussed above, the selection of non-cogenetic
       samples is sometimes used intentionally by isotope geologists. It
       is known to be a way to have an isochron dating method "look back"
       beyond a recent event to an earlier event -- the age of the common
       source of the samples. Thus, it is misleading for Austin to
       pretend that his resulting isochron plot should be expected to
       represent the age of the flows themselves.
       A geologist in my acquaintance suggested that this FAQ should be
       very short:

     It should merely state that Austin has confirmed what mainstream
     geologists have known all along: that the lithospheric mantle
     underlying the Grand Canyon must be older than the Cardenas Basalt.
       The mantle is the source of much of the sampled flows' material,
       and Austin's sampling technique matches the technique one would
       use to obtain a minimum for the age of the flows' source.
     * It's an insufficient case against isotope dating.
       Austin (1992) suggests that he has ""tested"" the dating method.
       He claims that the false isochron, that he knew would result, is
       ""unexpected"." He goes as far as implying that all isotopic ages
       can be ignored when he suggests that nobody has ever
       ""successfully dated a Grand Canyon rock"." The first two claims
       are falsehoods, as shown above, and the third cannot be justified
       by ICR's Grand Canyon Dating Project.
       Young-Earth creationists cannot escape the fact that a large
       majority of isotope dating results are well-aligned with
       mainstream predictions, and equally well-aligned with geological
       relationships which even young-earthers would accept. For example,
       intrusive formations consistently date as being younger than the
       formations that they cut across. A laundry-list of anomalous dates
       will not change that fact. That only shows that the methods
       sometimes fail, which is not in dispute.
       If Austin wishes to make a case that all isotopic results are
       unreliable (which he desires to do, in order to prop up the
       timescale that he accepts for religious reasons), he is going to
       have to do better than he has done here. All the ICR's Grand
       Canyon Dating Project shows is that a sample selection geared to
       yield the age of the flows' source... apparently does yield the
       age of the flows' source.

Summary

   The ICR's Grand Canyon Dating Project does not strike a telling blow
   against the reliability of isochron dating. The conditions which
   caused the "false isochron" in this case are fairly well-understood,
   and easy to avoid by proper sample selection. In fact, the resulting
   age in this case may well be meaningful and accurate. The problem is
   not the age itself but rather Austin's sleight-of-hand in trying to
   pass off the result as necessarily the age of the flows rather than a
   minimum age of their source.

   The attempt to abuse the meaning of a single contrived date -- which
   was produced only by a sample selection geared to dating a different
   event, and only for samples whose results were known by Austin in
   advance -- says a lot more about the level of competence or honesty in
   this creation "science" research program, than it says about the
   validity of isochron dating methods.

   Even if given credit for discovering this case (which he clearly
   doesn't deserve, as his use of Leeman's data proves), Austin has only
   managed to "call into question" a particular sampling technique.
   However, this sampling technique was known by mainstream geologists to
   behave in this manner long before Austin published on the topic, and
   this behavior is often intentionally used by geologists. Austin was
   aware of this, as his 1988 reference to Faure shows.

Response to Criticisms

   I recently received a critique of this FAQ. Unfortunately, it was
   submitted anonymously and it didn't address the key issues above.
   Since I couldn't get permission to reproduce the claims verbatim, I
   will summarize the creationist claims, and respond to them here. I
   would recommend that future prospective critics attempt to deal
   directly and explicitly with the three items in the "criticisms"
   section above.
     * Austin took care to ensure that the samples were cogenetic by
       selecting lava flows of only Hawaiite basalt, in the same area,
       which occurred by mainstream reckoning within the last few million
       years.

   The "type" of rock is not sufficient to establish the samples being
   cogenetic. Since the stratigraphic evidence indicates that the flows
   did not all occur at the same time, the case could only be made by
   other isotopic analysis such as taking internal isochrons of the
   individual flows. That data is lacking from Austin's published works.

   Besides, this line of argument does not address the fact that the
   result is a known and expected behavior of isochrons. As discussed
   above, whole-rock samples of multiple flows yields the time since
   their common source was isotopically homogeneous. It could also be the
   age of the flows, but it does not have to be. If it is not the flows'
   age, that is not a "problem" with isochron dating, and it is not
   relevant to the large number of Rb/Sr isochrons which were computed
   from mineral separations of a single object.
     * Austin's claims cannot be misleading because he presented this
       data at a GSA (Geological Society of America) conference and they
       would not have allowed a dishonest presentation.

   At the GSA meeting, Austin discussed the inheritance of a mantle age.
   He didn't pretend that the age of the flows was the expected result,
   and he didn't make the false claim that his result was sufficient to
   call all isochron dating into question. This is a transparent attempt
   to place a GSA "seal of approval" on Austin's unsupportable Impact
   claims. (In my opinion, the anonymous critic is engaging in a little
   sleight-of-hand of his own.)
     * An Impact article is so short that only a single point can be
       made, therefore Austin should be excused for a misleading or
       inaccurate appearance to his statements which might simply be a
       result of brevity. Those wishing the full argument should look to
       Austin's book instead.

   The length of the medium is not a legitimate excuse for a blatant
   falsehood (the claim that Austin set out to "test" Rb/Sr dating) or
   for the shenanigans involving the sampling technique versus the
   expected meaning of the resulting age. Further, there is no material
   in Austin's book which legitimizes the false and misleading claims in
   his Impact article.

   In addition, the Impact articles (which are free and available online)
   receive much wider distribution than Austin's book (which costs $20).
   At least a dozen creationists arguing against isotope geology have
   referred me to the Impact articles, and not a single one of them had
   ever looked at the book. The claims in Impact are all that most
   creationists ever see. Therefore they must be accurate on their own.

References

     * Austin, Steven A., ed., 1994. Grand Canyon: Monument to
       Catastrophe. Plus Communications, ISBN 0-932766-33-1.
       Back to "wrong meaning"
     * Austin, Steven A., 1992. "Excessively Old "Ages" For Grand Canyon
       Lava Flows," in Impact #224 (February).
       Back to "ICR claims" or "insufficient case"
     * Austin, Steven A., 1988. "Grand Canyon lava flows: A survey of
       isotope dating methods," in Impact #178 (April).
       Back to "paper trail" or "not a test"
     * Dalrymple, G. Brent, 1991. The Age of the Earth. California:
       Stanford University Press, ISBN 0-8047-1569-6.
       Back to "isochron dating methods"
     * Faure, Gunter, 1986. Principles of Isotope Geology, Second
       Edition. New York: John Wiley and Sons, ISBN 0-471-86412-9.
       Back to "fictitious isochrons", "isochron dating", or "isochron
       requirements"
     * Leeman, W. P., 1974. "Late Cenozoic Alkali-Rich Basalt from the
       Western Grand Canyon Area, Utah and Arizona: Isotopic Composition
       of Strontium" in Geological Society of America Bulletin 85
       (November), pp. 1691-1696.
       Back to "paper trail"

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